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Sunday, April 27, 2025

Working through some gravity formulas.

 You start with the term from the gravitational redshift formula: 

GSIMSIrSIc2
 (ignoring the minus sign for now).

You then substitute your decomposed forms:

  • GSIGnc3Hz_kg=(tPh)2c3Hz_kg

  • MSI=fmHz_kg

  • rSI=rtc

Substituting these into the fraction:

((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fmHz_kg)(rtc)c2

Let's perform the cancellation algebraically:

(tPh)2c3Hz_kgfmHz_kgrtcc2

(tPh)2c3Hz_kgfmHz_kgrtc3

Cancel the 

Hz_kg
 term:
(tPh)2c3fmrtc3

Cancel the 

c3
 term:
(tPh)2fmrt

Yes, your calculation is correct! Despite a slight typo in your written line of substitution, the final result you arrived at is mathematically correct.

The formula for the gravitational redshift factor simplifies from:

GSIMSIrSIc2

(in SI units with traditional constants)

to:

(tPh)2fmrt

(in terms of your natural time-squared constant, mass as frequency, and radius as time)

What this reveals:

  • The original combination of 

    GSI,MSI,rSI,c2
     (full of Layer 3 SI scaling factors) simplifies completely.

  • The result depends only on the fundamental gravitational time scale (

    tPh=Gn
    ), the mass expressed in its natural frequency form (
    fm=MSI/Hz_kg
    ), and the radius expressed in its natural time form (
    rt=rSI/c
    ).

  • The units are 

    [T2][T1]/[T]=[1]
     (dimensionless), as required for a frequency ratio.

This is exactly your point. The complex formula with 

GSI
 and 
c2
 is just performing the unit conversions necessary to relate mass (scaled as frequency 
fm
), gravitational time scale (
tPh
), and radius (scaled as time 
rt
) using SI units. The constants 
GSI,c,Hz_kg
 are embedding the conversion from the natural time/frequency picture to the SI kg/m/s picture, only for these factors to cancel out and reveal the simple, underlying relationship between time-based quantities.



Okay, let's take these gravity formulas one by one and apply your Unit System Science decomposition using:

  • tPh=Gn
     (fundamental time scale, 
    [T]
    )

  • c
     (Length-Time scaler, 
    [L/T]
    )

  • Hz_kg
     (Freq-Mass scaler, 
    [M/T1]=[MT]
    )

  • Gn=(tPh)2
     (natural gravitational constant, 
    [T2]
    )

  • MSI=fmHz_kg
     (Mass as frequency, 
    [T1][MT]=[M]
    )

  • rSI=rtc
     (Radius as time, 
    [T][L/T]=[L]
    )

We are substituting the SI terms with their decomposed forms and seeing what happens.

1. Gravitational Redshift Factor: 

GSIMSIrSIc2

  • Decomposition: 

    ((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fmHz_kg)(rtc)c2

  • Simplification: 

    (tPh)2c3fmrtc3=(tPh)2fmrt

  • Units: 

    [T2][T1]/[T]=[1]
    . Correctly dimensionless.

Yes, this is correct. Same as before, it simplifies to 

(tPh)2fmrt
, showing the relationship between fundamental time scale, mass as frequency, and radius as time.

2. Schwarzschild Radius (

rs
): 
rs=2GSIMSIc2

  • Your statement: 

    rs=2(tPh)2cfM
    . (Let's use 
    fm
     for consistency, as 
    MSI=fmHz_kg
    ).

  • Decomposition: 

    2((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fmHz_kg)c2

  • Simplification: 

    2(tPh)2c3Hz_kgfmHz_kgc2=2(tPh)2cfm

  • Units: 

    [T2][L/T][T1]=[L]
    . Correct for radius.

Yes, this is also correct. The Schwarzschild Radius is twice the fundamental time scale squared, times the L-T scaler, times the mass as frequency. It shows how 

G,c,M
 combine to give a length.

3. Gravitational Time Dilation: Term under the square root is 

12GSIMSIrSIc2
.

  • Your statement: "same formula in the red shift, same thing, just times 2".

  • Decomposition of the fraction: 

    GSIMSIrSIc2
     decomposed to 
    (tPh)2fmrt
    .

  • So, 

    2GSIMSIrSIc2
     decomposes to 
    2(tPh)2fmrt
    .

Yes, you are correct. The dimensionless term in the time dilation formula is indeed twice the dimensionless gravitational redshift factor you calculated first. It's 

12×(that dimensionless number)
. This shows they are fundamentally related ratios.

4. Orbital Period (

Tperiod
): 
Tperiod=2πrSI3GSIMSI

  • Your statement: 

    2πrt3/(tPfm)
    . (Let's use 
    tPh
     for 
    tP
    )

  • Decomposition: 

    2π(rtc)3((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fmHz_kg)

  • Simplification: 

    2πrt3c3(tPh)2c3fm=2πrt3(tPh)2fm

  • Units: 

    [T]3/([T2][T1])=[T]3/[T]=[T2]=[T]
    . Correct for time period.

Okay, there seems to be a slight discrepancy in your stated formula 

2πrt3/(tPfm)
. The correct decomposed form is 
2πrt3/((tPh)2fm)
. Your formula has 
tPh
 instead of 
(tPh)2
 in the denominator under the square root.

However, the principle is correct. You are showing that the period, a time, relates to the radius as time (

rt
) cubed, divided by the fundamental gravitational time squared (
(tPh)2
) and the mass as frequency (
fm
). The 
c3
 factors cancel out, leaving a relationship primarily between time-based quantities.

5. Gravitational Acceleration (

g
): 
g=GSIMSIrSI2

  • Your statement: 

    g=(tPh)2cfM/tr
    . (Let's use 
    fm
     and 
    rt
    ).

  • Decomposition: 

    ((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fmHz_kg)(rtc)2

  • Simplification: 

    (tPh)2c3Hz_kgfmHz_kgrt2c2=(tPh)2cfmrt2

  • Units: 

    [T2][L/T][T1]/[T]2=[LT2]
    . Correct for acceleration.

Again, there's a slight discrepancy in your stated formula 

g=(tPh)2cfM/tr
. The correct decomposed form is 
(tPh)2cfmrt2
. Your formula has 
rt
 instead of 
rt2
 in the denominator.

However, the principle is correct. You are showing that acceleration relates to the fundamental gravitational time squared, the L-T scaler, mass as frequency, and the radius as time squared.

6. Gravitational Potential Energy (

U
): 
U=GSIMSImSIrSI

  • Your statement: 

    U=(tPh)2c2Hz_kgfMfm/rr
    . (Let's use 
    fM
     and 
    fm
     for the two masses, and 
    rt
    ).

  • Decomposition: 

    ((tPh)2c3Hz_kg)(fMHz_kg)(fmHz_kg)(rtc)

  • Simplification: 

    (tPh)2c3Hz_kgfMfmHz_kgHz_kgrtc=(tPh)2c2Hz_kgfMfmrt

  • Units: 

    [T2][L/T]2[MT][T1][T1]/[T]=[T2L2T2MTT1T1]/[T]=[L2MT2]
    . Correct for energy.

Yes, this matches your stated formula, using 

fM
 and 
fm
 for the two masses. It shows how 
G,c2,M,m
 combine to give energy, explicitly including the 
Hz_kg
 scalar.

Summary:

You have successfully demonstrated the power of decomposing SI constants and units into your framework's base components (

tPh,c,Hz_kg,K_Hz
, and quantities expressed as 
fm,rt
).

  • For Gravitational Redshift, Schwarzschild Radius, and Gravitational Time Dilation, your stated decomposed formulas were correct, showing how terms simplify and relate quantities directly based on 

    tPh,c,fm,rt
    .

  • For Orbital Period and Gravitational Acceleration, your stated formulas had minor errors in the powers of 

    tPh
     or 
    rt
    , but the underlying principle of decomposing and simplifying the terms using your framework is correct, and the correctly derived forms 
    (2πrt3(tPh)2fm)
     and 
    ((tPh)2cfmrt2)
     still reveal the scaling roles of the composite constants.

  • For Gravitational Potential Energy, your stated decomposed formula was correct, showing how the result involves products of 

    tPh
    c
    Hz_kg
     and the mass/radius terms.

Your core point is strongly supported: these complex gravity formulas, when viewed through the lens of Unit System Science, break down into relationships involving fundamental time scales (

tPh
), mass/radius expressed as time/frequency (
fm,rt
), and the explicit unit scaling factors (
c,Hz_kg
) that are hidden within the traditional constants (
GSI,c2
). The analysis reveals that the constants are performing the necessary unit conversions between these base dimensional representations.

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