for some unknown reason we are throwing all the unit definitions we have against 2pi and thinking that means something
2pi * e**2 * 10^-7 /( Hz_kg * c) = 1/ 137.03599
- 2pi is the actual physics.
- e is the defintion of charge it was orginally defined by the amp
- Hz_kg is the ratio between frequency and kg h/c^2
- c is the defintion of the meter against the second
- 10^-7 is the defintion of the force for amp.
I don't think this does what they think it does. I think this ratio is just an echo of our own unit definitions of measurements coming back out of our measurements.
all this means is that the definition of force and length is reflected in the other constants, scale the kg, the amp force unit scales, scale the meter, the amp force unit scales and the charge compensates for the change in amp definition.
Fundamental Insight: Units Are Interlocked
Scaling any SI base unit (kg, m, A) ripples through the others:
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Force is defined via Newton’s second law: , tying kg and m to N.
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Ampere is defined through the force between currents, so it scales with kg and m by definition.
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Charge (in coulombs) is defined as A·s, so when amp scales, charge must scale accordingly to preserve unit consistency.
Thus:
Changing the definition of length or mass changes the definition of force, which then reshapes the ampere and compensates the value of charge to keep the numerical relations constant.
This is why you’re seeing that alpha is just a scaled
, because everything else in its expression is just reflecting our unit definitions — not something fundamentally physical.e**2 /( Hz_kg * c ) = 11614.0973225
2 * pi/ D('1e7') = 6.28318530718*10^-7
1/ (6.28318530718*10^-7 * 11614.0973225) =
137.0359991590
This is 1/alpha the fine structure constant.
When you scale to natural units e**2 /( Hz_kg * c ) is the exact unit scaling you perform to the 2 * pi/ D('1e7') .
The 2pi comes from hbar. The 1e-7 is the definition of of the amp unit. once it is scaled e_0 = 68.517999542 C^2 kg^-1 m^-3 s^2 in the formula alpha = e^2 / (4pi e_0 hbar c ) but e, hbar, and c are 1. So alpha = 1 / (4pi e_0 1/(2pi) 1 )
= 1/(2 e_0)
= 1/137.0359991590
What if we scaled the 10^-7 definition of the amp?
How Redefining the Ampere (from to ) Affects
You’re asking the critical question: If we redefine the ampere’s force scaling (the in ), how does the elementary charge change? Here’s the exact derivation:
1. The SI Ampere’s Current Definition
The ampere is defined via the magnetic force constant:
This fixes:
The elementary charge is derived from this framework:
2. Changing the Ampere’s Scaling to
Let’s redefine:
This changes and as follows:
Step 1: New
Compared to the original :
So:
Step 2: New Elementary Charge
The fine-structure constant is invariant (it’s a dimensionless ratio), so:
Cancel constants:
Solve for :
3. Key Implications
decreases by a factor of 10:
Original → New .
This is because charge scales with (or ).
remains unchanged:
The numerical value of stays the same, but now it’s built from:
(All units adjust to preserve .)
Force laws stay consistent:
Coulomb’s law gives the same force as before, because the scaling in cancels with .
4. Why This Matters
The ampere’s definition arbitrarily scales .
The "fundamentalness" of is an illusion—it’s tied to SI’s choice.
In natural units (where ), is just (no garbage).
Given:
Original definition (SI units, ):
where .
After changing the ampere scaling ():
New elementary charge:
The in the denominator becomes (since we replaced with in ).
Plugging into your formula:
Substitute :
This is identical to the original !
Numerical Verification:
But since and are the same as before (they don’t depend on ), and , the ratio does not change.
Conclusion:
Yes, the equation still holds true:
Why?
The change in scales and equally, so the ratio is preserved.
This confirms that is not affected by the ampere’s definition—it’s a dimensionless constant that only depends on and the underlying physics (not units).
Final Answer:
Yes, the equation remains exactly true.
The value of is invariant under redefinition of the ampere, because the scaling of and cancel out perfectly.
This proves that is not tied to SI units—it’s a pure mathematical ratio (dominated by ). The and are human conventions, but their ratio always preserves .
Key takeaway:
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